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Hey guys?

I just remembered that about 10 days ago I posted about how to survive the noisy, cold-at-night madhouse that is Camp Oelker.

A few of you said "Uh, I would just get a hotel."

I got back last night and thought, "Hey, I wonder if that would have worked?" (Did I mention that I don't have the money to do that for a week? Cuz I really DO NOT. I found the suggestion amusing at the time, for that reason.)

Just for the record, the nearest lodgings are something called the "Frola Motel" about 20 minutes away in Lisbon, and all I can find out about it is that apparently it is clean? Oh and the next closest thing is something called "Palmentier's Motel" about 30 minutes away outside of Minerva, again reportedly clean and with no website for finding out more. Yes, Camp Oelker is _that_ far away from things. Really.

Am I failing to explain just how very, VERY out in the boonies Camp Oelker is, or is it just hard to internalize the concept? I think it might be the latter-- I was thinking about this yesterday as I drove back. Most of us never really leave the parts of the country that have hotels and shopping centers. And even if we do, it's usually for vacation spots that still have cute little restaurants and bed and breakfast places. Guys? We should travel outside that zone more, really we should, and make excursions to the wilder parts of the nation. Just not in winter, okay? (And yes, for the record, I'm mocking you all a little bit for your yuppieness. If you don't like it you do not have to read. I do love you all, but I need to mock you this little bit, okay? This is how a week back in Appalachia changes how I look at things.)

*shrug* I don't have the money for a whole week of staying in lodgings off the farm, anyway. I did have the excuse to ditch for a night in a motel in a larger town, which was a nice break. I was just talking to [livejournal.com profile] karakara98 yesterday about how tiny even that "larger town" is! Oh, middle America, you're somehow more wild than other countries, because we expect you to have motels in all your towns.

Oh, but one more thing: there _is_ a comfortable, nicely appointed lodging option about a 10 minute drive away from Camp Oelker. Sadly, it's also over my budget, and owned by the chair of the county GOP, so I hope you'll forgive me for NOT giving them my money. It is either funny or sad that would be my best option for staying off the farm. Maybe both funny _and_ sad.

The next time someone describes my part of western Mass as rural, I'm going to laugh at them, openly and with vigor. Isn't America a funny place?

Date: 2008-12-28 05:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tkstargazer.livejournal.com
The concept of 'what do you mean the next pharmacy is twelve miles away as the crow flies over that mountain' is definitely alien to most of us in the northeast. We tend to think we actually understand what 'mountains' and 'away from civilization' is.

Several years ago, we decided to drive up/around the Adirondack State Park as a 'day trip'. Idiot me hadn't counted on the reduced speeds on the roads up in that area. The entire area was beautiful, but spending 15+ hours in the car in one day was just dain-bramaged. It was lovely to be able to drive for miles without a single business (never mind the concept of a 'choice' of places to stop).

For a weekend a few years ago, we spent some time at my step-sister's house about eight miles west of Ticonderoga. That's also out in the boonies.

Of course out west (or up in central Maine), you can find 'nothing' by the county load.

Date: 2008-12-28 11:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] digitalemur.livejournal.com
You know, I should go experience a little of the Maine version of 'nothing,' sometime. I think it'll be subtly different kind of boonies.

Of course, right now you couldn't pay me enough to make my do that, because I just had my dose. Who knows, maybe some time.

Date: 2008-12-29 02:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tkstargazer.livejournal.com
If you do, don't forget that the lumber trucks have the right of way. Period.

Date: 2008-12-30 05:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] digitalemur.livejournal.com
Oh, of course! They scare the pants off me, so I stay out of the way.

Date: 2008-12-28 06:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elisaana.livejournal.com
Ironically, if all we yuppies who have always lived within half an hour of a coast wanted to travel outside our safe zone, there isn't really a way to make such excursions, save for camping in national parks, because almost by definition the places that have no motels/hotels/bed and breakfasts don't have a building for outsiders to stay.

From my mom's experience growing up in small towns and construction camps across the Rockies, I get the feeling that a lot of the places that are so isolated aren't quick to welcome outsiders (even outsiders who move in for several years), so it may be hard for visitors to really get a sense of rural living. (Hopefully I'm wrong with that generalization; I don't mean to malign the hospitality of an entire swath of the nation!)

That's where you come in: you can invite people to Camp Oelker and popularize the couch-surfing movement among rural families, allowing the rest of us to visit the wilder parts of the nation authentically! :)

Date: 2008-12-28 09:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] adularia.livejournal.com
I was about to post some elaborate counterexamples, but it occurred to me that *all* of them were in relatively unusual contexts. The only good examples I have are from La Push, WA and Fort Simpson, NWT, in places catering to outsiders who could accept (desire, really) a lack of every amenity. No internet or cell service in either place, and I didn't actually stay in the hotel in Simpson but it seemed pretty humble. Also, they were both on tribal lands, and it seems (naively to me) like the inner Rockies/Appalachians have more of a culture of xenophobia going on.

Date: 2008-12-28 11:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] digitalemur.livejournal.com
Whooooa. I just had a mental image of a vampires vs werewolves series set in Columbiana County. The mind boggles.

Date: 2008-12-28 11:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] digitalemur.livejournal.com
Yeah, if there are no hotels near Camp Oelker, it's hard to go visit unless you couch-surf, you have a big old point.

I just get kinda cranky about how much forethought it requires to do some things out there. My brain is also not working so well today-- I keep thinking the cold or sinus infection or whatever it is is going away, and then it knocks me on my ass again.

Date: 2008-12-28 11:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] digitalemur.livejournal.com
Oh, also? The folks in the boonies probably don't really WANT a lot of coastal yuppies visiting, which is why they don't have tourist accomodations, you're probably right. I'm not sure whether I would like to change the assumptions of my yuppie colleagues, or change the assumptions of my boonies xenophobic former neighbors. Neither is really reasonable, is it.

Date: 2009-01-11 06:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elisaana.livejournal.com
Hmm... definitely a chicken and egg problem. Let me know if you want help changing the assumptions of either camp! :) (You'll probably have more sway with your former neighbors than I.)

Date: 2008-12-28 10:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-dodecahedron.livejournal.com
Camp Oelker is a treasure. Maybe I'll stay there next time I travel between Ohio and the Northeast?

Mostly I'm laughing at the name Spread Eagle for a hotel.

Date: 2008-12-28 11:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] digitalemur.livejournal.com
You're just saying that because my mother bribes you with popcorn.

Seriously, that does make me feel better.

Date: 2008-12-29 12:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] den-down-unda.livejournal.com
I think you're absolutely right that some of us have no concept of being so far away from everything else. (For one thing, where I live now is literally the farthest I have ever lived from the ocean.) That said, I think I'm going to leave the wide open spaces to be wide open on their own and stay where there are people, bars, and bookstores. :)

Date: 2008-12-29 01:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] digitalemur.livejournal.com
I don't care much about bars, but bookstores? Oh hell YES.

It's weird to be back in Mall America after spending a week in a place where Panera Bread is too expensive for most people. Ironically, the presence of Wal-Mart stores in two places in the county actually contributes to there no longer even being grocery stores in a lot of the smaller villages near Camp Oelker.

Date: 2008-12-29 02:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] den-down-unda.livejournal.com
Ironically, the presence of Wal-Mart stores in two places in the county actually contributes to there no longer even being grocery stores in a lot of the smaller villages near Camp Oelker.

That's not ironic at all. That's a business plan. One of the reasons I won't shop at Wal-Mart, since I have the option not to.

Date: 2008-12-29 02:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] digitalemur.livejournal.com
Yeah, I try to avoid them too, though it's hard to avoid them entirely when I travel or go out to Camp Oelker.

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